New Forbidden List effective Oct 1st

[whatah]

From: www.upperdeckentertainment.com/yugioh/en/forb_advanced_new.aspx


The Forbidden List will be used at regional and national events, and the World Championship.

ADVANCED FORMAT LIST EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 1st



I. Forbidden Cards

You cannot use these cards in your Deck, Fusion Deck or Side Deck.


Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning
Butterfly Dagger - Elma
Change of Heart
Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End
Delinquent Duo
Fiber Jar
Graceful Charity
Harpie's Feather Duster
Imperial Order
Magical Scientist
Makyura the Destructor
Mirage of Nightmare
Mirror Force
Monster Reborn
Painful Choice
Pot of Greed
Raigeki
Ring of Destruction
Sinister Serpent
The Forceful Sentry
Tribe-Infecting Virus
Witch of the Black Forest
Yata-Garasu

NEW! - Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning, Delinquent Duo, Graceful Charity, Mirror Force, Pot of Greed, Ring of Destruction, Sinister Serpent, Tribe-Infecting Virus



II. Limited Cards

You can ONLY use one of the following cards in the Deck, Fusion Deck & Side Deck combined.


Book of Moon
Book of Taiyou
Breaker the Magical Warrior
Call of the Haunted
Card Destruction
Ceasefire
Confiscation
Cyber Jar
D. D. Warrior Lady
Dark Hole
Dark Magician of Chaos
Deck Devastation Virus
Exchange of the Spirit (Available at Shonen Jump's Elemental Energy Sneak Preview!)
Exiled Force
Exodia the Forbidden One
Heavy Storm
Injection Fairy Lily
Jinzo
Left Arm of the Forbidden One
Left Leg of the Forbidden One
Lightning Vortex
Limiter Removal
Mage Power
Magic Cylinder
Magician of Faith
Metamorphosis
Morphing Jar
Mystical Space Typhoon
Night Assailant
Nobleman of Crossout
Premature Burial
Protector of the Sanctuary
Reckless Greed
Reflect Bounder
Right Arm of the Forbidden One
Right Leg of the Forbidden One
Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys
Sangan
Scapegoat
Snatch Steal
Swords of Revealing Light
Thousand-Eyes Restrict
Torrential Tribute
Tsukuyomi
Twin-Headed Behemoth
United We Stand

NEW! - Book of Moon, Book of Taiyou, Confiscation, Dark Hole, Exchange of the Spirit, Limiter Removal, Magician of Faith, Metamorphosis, Nobleman of Crossout, Scapegoat, Thousand-Eyes Restrict, Tsukuyomi, Night Assailant



III. Semi-Limited Cards

You can ONLY use two of the following cards in the Deck, Fusion Deck & Side Deck combined.


Abyss Soldier
Creature Swap
Emergency Provisions
Good Goblin Housekeeping
Gravity Bind
Last Turn
Level Limit - Area B
Manticore of Darkness
Reinforcement of the Army
Upstart Goblin

NEW! - The following cards are no longer Semi-Limited: Dark Scorpion - Chick the Yellow, Marauding Captain, Vampire Lord

[Artix]

Nah... Ruinning Goat control?
Giving dark holw back?
3 Vampire lord? 1 limiter removal?

[whatah]

yup, i saw the goat restriction 500 miles away.

control still works, I only revently switched to 2 morph when they changed the battle position ruling, control decks can still abuse MoF, 1 Tsuki, 1 goat, 1 BoM, 1 morph....

people are gonna start morphing out sensh and baltor as often as 1000eyes again.

gonna miss sepent soooooo much, I abused the hack out of that card.

restricting 1000eyes is actually a great move, when it gets killed you won't just be able to make another...

DDAs are gold now, I wish they had restricted his a$$, oh well, I guess I'll go buy a couple copies of destany board traveller...

[Artix]

What about dark hole? It's so good and it's back..
Didn't very miss it..

[whatah]

yup it's back, but they took away mirror force and made lightning vortex unplayable by banning sinister...

I'm glad I have 3 foil versions of dark hole

I can't wait to get ahold of some exeron universe tins soon to fill the void in my control deck...

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ok, so last night kevin tewart confirmed that this was Japan's forbidden list, the leaked scan was from Valuable Book 8, I think it should officially be on sale today or tmw (in japan)

he also sent this email to all judges on UDE's mailing list:

Originally Posted by Kevin Tewart
Here's some news to keep everybody in the loop on the upcoming Forbidden List.

As you may be aware, Asia changes their Forbidden/Limited List on March 1 and September 1. We change ours on April 1 and October 1, 30 days after Asia. This is because we want to give people more time to prepare changes to their decks, rather than just a few days' notice.

In Asia, the new September 1 list is currently beginning distribution. The first place that the information will appear is in publications produced by the Jump
magazine group. Konami will be putting the list up on their web page after the Jump magazines are in full circulation in Asia, since the Jump magazines get first dibs on this information.

Over the past couple months, UDE has been in extensive contact with Konami regarding the Forbidden List. We have been aware that A LOT of players here were not happy with the current list, and we've been beating Konami over the head with that, like a big manga mallet.

In the end, after extensive discussions (and far too many nights of Kevin working until 3 AM), Konami agreed to implement several (but not all) of our suggestions. If you take a look at the new Asian list (which you can find through yugioh-card.com in a couple more days), you might be surprised at the extent that
it goes towards curbing some of the more... shall we say, troublesome, elements of the game we've seen. We were very happy that Konami was receptive to our
points regarding several cards.

HOWEVER, some of the things that we've been discussing with Konami are the significant differences between the Asian game environment and the environment everywhere else. There are many cards available in Asia (mostly promo cards) that are not available here yet. This has a huge impact on which cards are powerful and which cards are not so powerful. Also, play styles are incredibly different. There are decks used here that Asian players have never seen before,
and vice versa.

Rather than have the UDE play environment dictate the Asian Forbidden List, and rather than have the Asian play environment dictate the Forbidden List in the rest of the world, we may be moving to a system where there are separate Forbidden/Limited Lists for Asia vs. Americas/Europe/AUS&NZ.

What this means is that we're discussing a situation where some cards might be Forbidden in Japan but still legal here, or vice-versa. Or something might be Limited here, but still allowed in 3's in Japan. You get the idea.

Another important element is the Traditional Format, which does not exist in Asia. Konami may want to allow certain cards again so that players can blow the dust off of them and pull them out of their binders in order to play with those cards again. For us this is not a concern, since all cards are usable in Traditional Format, so we’re not keen on allowing some cards back into Advanced Format just for the sake of having them playable again. In this respect, Traditional Format is sort of our "safety valve", one which Asia does not have access to.

This is all still under discussion. We're hoping to get it all settled in the next week or two. Fortunately, since our list doesn't go into effect until October 1 anyway, we have a little bit of a buffer zone with which to work this all out.

Our goal is to have a fun and exciting game environment. Konami's goal is exactly the same. If different Forbidden/Limited Lists in different areas will help promote this, then that is what we will do.

In the mean time, please sit tight. It's gonna be a wild ride.

Kevin Tewart
Game Designer
UDE Yu-Gi-Oh! TCG R&D Lead
Upper Deck Entertainment


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so from what I have read in the email and in his responses in other forums the gist is this:

in japan konami only supports what we here call "advanced format"

konami wants even the most broken of cards to rotate in and out of circulation whether or not the current metagame can support them (in other words it is one thing to mold an enviroment where such and such wouldn't be broken but they just want to let 1 or 2 degenerate cards loose upon the tournament scene every 6 months)

konami has several quality promos that help certain stratagies or even create different decktypes than what we have available to us.

konami has emphisized repeatedly that thay have a "forbidden list" not a "banned list". the cards are meant to cycle, this helps protect their value and gives them a reason to reprint banned cards as collectable with new and different rarities (like the ultimate rare CED in japan's 2004 tins series)

on the other hand:

upper deck allows "traditional format" to exist even though they offer no official tournament support for it, local judges are allowed to run traditional format tournaments at stores.

since there exists a "casual" traditional format here in the US and rest of the world, UDE does not see the pressing need to unleash waves of brokeness every 6 months.

Kevin said getting the banned list more than a week before the effective date was a good thing, I hope to see the UDE confirmed banned list before the middle of next month

different cards and playstyles are abused here, Book of Moon has been popular over here since the battle position ruling change but supposedly everyone in japan is sick of it.




so based on kevin's remarks on pojo message boards here's what I think is likely to happen:

BLS, DDuo, Serpent will become banned (90%)

the first 2 are a given, the third has earned his place with pride.

Graceful Charity will be banned (50%)

this card-draw seems good over here, without sinister it will be even more balanced, it is being banned in japan because ENE is out there already, this card is GoDly with the dark realm monsters, that set doesn't come out here for another 3 months, when it does then Graceful will make the set super popular and UDE can still ban gracefull in march to protect most of the regionals, nationals and worlds tournaments.

Mirror Force will be banned (75%)
Ring of Destruction will be banned (75%)

we now see that MF's unbanning (like Duo's) was meant to "shake up the format" but I think there's a 50/50 chance that UDE decides to keep one of these in the format, and ring is evey bit as broken as Mirror Force.

Dark Hole will become restricted (40%)

unbanning this card does a couple things: with the banning of serpent unbanning dark hole makes lighning vortex trash.
With this last banned list the key turn was turn 1, whoever played the most draw spells followed by delinquent duo won the game 90% of the time. Unbanning Dark hole will shift the key turn to the midgame, with goat resticted this cards gives too much field control to advanced format.

Confiscation will become restricted (75%)

a great call for taking of the banned list, this card won't even be an "auto-include" in many tier 1 decks. UDE might leave it banned because everyone hates discard right now.

Night Assailent will become restriceted (75%)

restricting this card is a great idea, with serpent banned every control deck would try to run 2 of these hoping to achieve the "free discard loop" by having drawn 2 assailents. a restricted NA is as close as we need to sinister serpent for now. But since this card has not been abused (too) much in the last year it may remain limited to 2.

Metamorphosis, Scapegoat, Thousand Eyes Restrict, Tsukuyomi will become restricted (90%)

I see this and the banning of BLS and DDuo as the thesis of this banned list, restricting TER is genius because if he comes out and is dealt with he cannot be special summoned from the discard pile and is useful only as chaos food. just like the previos banned list focused on killibg FTK decks this one has tried to cut the head off of goat control. a+++++ move

Limiter Removal will become restricted (90%)

yea, I saw this one coming, oh well, too bad

Book of Moon will become restricted (70%)

this card is loved by many players here, it goes in a wide variety of decks and helps both control and aggro. UDE may think that leaving this unrestrited right now is ok.

Zombie lord and marauding captain will be allowed in 3's (90%)

kevin has said that he doesn't see why z-lord was restricted in the first place (2000 atk used to mean something long ago) and marauding captain-lock is easily foiled by many cards not to mention hard to fit in warrior decks.

some other possibilities:

cyberstein will be restricted (30%)

many fear the FTK of this guy, restricting him really won't do much because he is searchable by sangen and tomato but hey it's a start.

royal decree will be restricted (30%)

if MF or RoD remain unbanned than the chance of this card being restricted rises to almost %50 if is a great trap hoser but it is a double-edged sword.

jowen the spiritualist will be restricted (30%)

the last turn deck can pull off a FTK during the opponent's draw step with a 3 card combo and one one of those cards is limited at all, and last turn is limited to only 2. restricting this card will force the deck to change slightly while remaining playable. the best way to counter the last turn deck was to have a set book of moon (or ring of destruction) when they tried to "go off" if book of moon is restricted then IMO this needs to be as well.

cyber jar will become banned (30%)

this card is abusable in flip/mill decks and not seen in many other decks these days. restricting BoM does very little to it, the deck can still be playable with morphing jar, it may have to include needle worm which will make the deck seem less broken and greatly lower the chance of a FTK.


of course no single decision exists in a void if one decision is made it might affect the chance of other decisions being made


sorry for the super long post

[whatah]

The non-asian banned list has been revealed at noon today, the first post in this thread has been changed to our new forbidden list, thread has been stickied.

wow tribe got banned

wow pot got banned

wow I really though they would have left dark hole banned, this really makes lighning vortex teh suck now.

book of taiyou getting restricted hurts flip/jar decks but they left last turn and cyberED FTK decks alone.

very interesting, very playable, thanks UDE!

[slypher2005]

Man this sucks that POG, TIV, ROD are now band players that play in the Advance formats will hit them hard and I think it's sad that they have a card that just about to come out and added it on to the restied list already. Why don't UDE take all of the good staples and put on the band list at once cause that what it look like what they are doing.

[whatah]

eh, I LOVE the new list, by banning pot in addition to graceful and DDuo upper deck not only destroyed the complete trinity but also struck a blow to combo decks. now with draw power greatly weakend and book of taiyu restricted cyberED FTK, cookie jar and last turn are a whole lot less consistant. I've been playtesting the new format on YVD and I love it sooo much. by restricting all the popular darking cards they have kept airknight a good card where otherwise it would have sucked compared to cyber dragon in an enviroment with goat and MoF restricted. the fact that we will have to look towards locomotive or magical library for extra draw power is no big deal to me....


and the "exchange of the spirit" (or whatever it is called) has been restricted for a while in japan so don't blame upperdeck on this one, just be glad that we are getting playable promos

personally I don't mind playing in a "powered down" enviroment, I'm just glad upperdeck actually listen to what players were complaining about and responded... in 6 months if the experienced players are complaing about the format being to slow or not having and good traps than I believe it will get taken care of...

I'm also glad they made the tradional format restricted list different from the advanced format restricted list, I was wondering if a card goes straight to being banned in advanced if that always automaticly meant it was limited to 1 in traditional...

hey slypher2005 i'm PMing you also so when you get a chance hollar back at me, thanks